Price per point VS. Dues per Point

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#1โ€ข2w ago
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What is the better way to go if you are trying to stock up points for longers stays?

Buy lower price per point or lower dues per point?

I currently have 200 direct to Polynesian and waiting on ROFR for a 70 point Saratoga Springs resale contract (Thanks to Sir Derek DeBoer). These are the places I am considering the most:

  1. Saratoga Springs points - lower cost per point and yet reasonable/low dues

  2. Polynesian - some of the lowest dues, higher price per point, and contract expires 2066 (also matches my direct contract)

  3. Bay Lake tower - middle of dues related to Poly and SS, middle price per point between Poly and SS

  4. Boardwalk - lower/mid price per point, higher dues (bonus plus - Epcot/Holywood Studios area also 11-month window for resort in that area; bonus negative - 2042 contract expiration)

  5. Copper Creek - mid/high price per point (close to Poly), lower dues per point than Saratoga Springs (bonus - 2068 expiration)

Thoughts?

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#2โ€ข2w ago
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I calculate a break even point cost that factors in point cost, dues, contract length and time value of money.

When i do that Poly, SSR, BLT, CCV and VGF are all so close (within $1/pt) that they might as well be tied for the cheapest over the long term, which can seem surprising.

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Buying & Selling DVCFreaks in the (Spread)SheetsI am sure many of us have them....so wanted to create a single place to geek out together and share all of our DVC Spreadsheets. Here is oneโ€ฆby Buckeyeยท12 replies

There are spreadsheets for these kind of calculations. Ultimately, I think the expiration year is the biggest factor. Then maybe dues and finally price per point.

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#4โ€ข2w ago
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Replying to @Mouse3Math

I calculate a break even point cost that factors in point cost, dues, contract length and time value of money. When i do that Poly, SSR, BLT, CCV and โ€ฆ

Thanks for the insight!

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Buying & Selling DVCFreaks in the (Spread)SheetsI am sure many of us have them....so wanted to create a single place to geek out together and share alโ€ฆ

Thanks for the link!

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#6โ€ข2w ago
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I do think the dues are an under-appreciated part of the calculation. You need to not only look at dues currently, but more importantly, the rate at which the dues increase over time.

While this is hard to do, because things can change, I believe Paul has provided these #s in the CAGR rate listed each year by the change in dues chart. I have done a spreadsheet where you calculate out each property, and how the dues would increase using each's CAGR. That is a really helpful data point in all of this, and tends to be the weightiest factor in my planning.

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I do think the dues are an under-appreciated part of the calculation. You need to not only look at dues currently, but more importantly, the rate at wโ€ฆ

Buying & Selling DVCFreaks in the (Spread)SheetsI am sure many of us have them....so wanted to create a single place to geek out together and share all of our DVC Spreadsheets. Here is oneโ€ฆby Buckeyeยท12 repI totally agree. The only caveat is it's difficult to compare a new resort with an old resort, since dues tend to not increase as much in the first couple of years. This can skew the results towards newer resorts. But you wouldn't expect something like the Cabins to maintain a 0.4% CAGR. In the spreadsheet I used (linked above), there was an option to project the total cost with the provided CAGR per resort. It's important to add an inflation adjustment, or else the resorts with longer expiration dates will look more expensive due to the nominal amount growing over more years than the resorts wih earlier expiraiton dates.

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#8โ€ข2w ago
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I have found this resource to be a good general guidance: https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/blog/best-economical-dvc-resorts-to-purchase-fall-2025/

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I do think the dues are an under-appreciated part of the calculation. You need to not only look at dues currently, but more importantly, the rate at wโ€ฆ

Correct. I recently posted a comment on this exact point. When I bought into BCV, I calculated the average dues increase per year over the life of the contract based on the historical dues increases each year. I also looked at the average variance off that average (how often and by how much, on average, is there a spike or decline). However, what I didn't factor was that the dues will escalate quite a bit as the resort ages. I am seeing that with BCV over the last few years. The dues have been a good deal higher than what I had anticipated. It was still a no-brainer decision (especially resale!), mind you, but it's something to be aware of.

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I have found this resource to be a good general guidance: https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/blog/best-economical-dvc-resorts-to-purchase-fall-2025/

We used this data when deciding where to buy! So far we've been very pleased with the surprisingly low dues for VGF.

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I do think the dues are an under-appreciated part of the calculation. You need to not only look at dues currently, but more importantly, the rate at wโ€ฆ

Another good resource! Thanks!

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Aside from the obvious outliers (the two atlantic coastal resorts), I feel like buying based upon what dues are relative to other disney resorts today is a bit of a gamble. Is there evidence that lower dues resorts will stay low relative to others? What happens when DVC announces some major capital improvement plan at lower dues resorts and then boom there goes that rationale to buying. For example, and I am no expert on what is/is not part of dues, but its no secret the monorail is both an essential part of WDW and also older than dirt and often not working well. WDW decides the โ€œresort loopโ€ needs a major modernization and distributes much of that cost to the resort loop resorts and their associations. Big upgrade yes but dues might go up to match, no? And that is just an example (might be a bad one when someone who lives in the agreements says monorail cant be part of DVC dues) but there are a whole host of costs that could baloon.

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